Big Red and Green don't mix

We've learned what the A in Andy stands for, Arrogant. A team that finished in last place in the NFC East two of the last three years deserves criticism. So Mr. Reid is tired of the negativity from the media. What exactly do we have to be positive about? The return of LJ Smith is the answer to the red zone problems? Another draft class that won't crack the roster this year or at least not make a significant impact. The only positive I see from this season is that I won't have to see Reno Mahe returning punts which doesn't say much.

Donovan McNabb makes a bold statement about needing playmakers and when questioned about it cowardly waters down his previous statement by saying I wasn't necessarily talking about offensive playmakers. So the only significant offseason move was the signing of Asante Samuels when the cornerbacks were the strength of this defense. There are still questions about the passrush. There is no explosive offensive weapon other than Westbrook. Does the acquisition of the running back from Miami mean that Tony Hunt was a bust? So tell me Mr. Reid, what do I have to be positive about?

Andy Reid should take a lesson from Paul Holmgren. Bobby Clark did the Flyers organization a huge favor by stepping down. He finally realized that his philosophy could never bring a Stanley Cup championship to this city. In steps Paul Holmgren who infuses a new philosophy and you have only the second team to advance to the Conference Championship after finishing worst the year before. So how long Mr. Reid are you going to stick to your philosophy? After finishing in last place two of the last three years you still believe that the system trumps talent. Time will tell.

I would like to present this challenge to you Mr. Reid. Since you so firmly believe that this is a Superbowl team, should the Eagles fail to even win a round in the playoffs this year you should do the manly thing and step down. Let someone else come in and infuse a different philosophy, a winning philosophy. Bobby Clark was a man, are you Mr. Reid. Or are you a spineless coward who needs your ears tickled by the media. Mr. Reid you are a spineless, gutless coward as is your quarterback, McNabb.

I know you read this blog, McNabb, though your coach may not, I challenge you to answer me and explain why you and your coach are not spineless cowards. I call you a coward because you allowed your coach to muzzle you yet again when he does nothing to improve this team. So if you are not a coward, take the muzzle off and challenge your coach to put a championship team on the field. You are the only player that can get through to your thickheaded, arrogant coach who is too cowardly to address the media with answers instead of feeding us the same garbage year in and year out that he can plug in anyone in this system and produce a champion.
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I understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and fan, I understand where you're coming from, but since the arrival of Andy and Donovan the Eagles franchise has gone from the basement to the top. I know they haven't gotten over the hump and brought a championship to Philadelphia and I'm hoping for one soon, but putting the blame on these two doesn't make much sense.

Why shouldn't Andy be tired of the media and all the negativity? Is he supposed to sit there at the table and tell them that they are absolutely right, he and the rest of the FO have done nothing to improve the team this offseason and he thinks they'll fail to make the playoffs again. Not at all. There are a lot of positives to look at here. How about having a stacked D and a proven playmaker in Asante? How about a group of young fast LBs? Donovan going into the offseason healthy? Kevin Curtis coming off a 1,000 yard season in his first year with a new team and new offense?

Donovan wasn't the only one this offseason who asked for playmakers. Westbrook did, Runyan did, Dawkins did. Why only focus on Donovan, because he put it out there on Yardbarker. You're not the only Eagles fan who wants to see a number one receiver in Eagles green, but to criticize Donovan for keeping his mouth shut is ridiculous. What did you want him to do, go to the table and tell the media that he can't win with the guys in the locker room, they all suck and he doesn't want to play with them. Was he supposed to beg for playmakers so the media can call him a cry baby the next day.

Donovan is the leader of this team and no matter who is on this team when the season starts, he going to go into battle with whoever he has. And as an Eagles fan you are going to support them regardless.

True, Donovan shouldn't bear all the blame but out of all the players Reid would probably listen to him more than any other player. Donovan is really in a win win situation. Reid will not bench him in favor of Kevin Kobb unless Reid is declaring this season to be a total wash but if McNabb really feels that improvement is needed than whether publicly or privately he should make his thoughts known. Was Tom Brady slighting his teammates last offseason when he asked for better skill players? The Patriots got Randy Moss for next to nothing last season. I would have been happy if they brought Donte Stallworth back but they didn't even do that. As the leader if McNabb sees flaws in the team or the coaching philosophy he should say so. I know he desires to win a championship but the team needs receivers who can challenge the defensebacks. The offense was potent when they had Terrell Owens. Is it a coincidence that that was the only time the Eagles went to the Superbowl under Reid. In fact Donovan specifically asked Reid to bring TO to the team and Reid listened. Why would he not try to accomodate his quarterback. I think Reid is too blind to his philosophy and someone from within needs to point out the flaws because Reid will obviously not listen to anyone outside of the organization.

Yes, we all saw and heard what Donovan had to say about wanting more playmakers to the media, but what we don't know was what was said between him and Andy. Did they speak, did they not speak, I don' t know. The Eagles organization has always been one to try and keep things in house.

Yes they made an effort to acquire a big time WR this offseason. How much of an effort was made is uncertain, but they did try. Unfortunately, we can't force teams to make a trade with us.

On the other hand, will the Eagles surprise all and pull something off. I'm not getting my hopes up, but you never know.

Good point. I would love to be a fly on the wall inside the Eagle's organization. It's hard to know how Reid or some of the players really feel but it's not too late to address the need for a receiver. With two first round picks next year the Eagles could still make an offer to the Bengals or Lions if they are willing to part with a first round pick. I must admit I was disappointed that they failed to get Jared Allen from Kansas City. I know there was interest but sometimes I think they overvalue their draft picks. If they don't anticipate their draft picks to make an immediate impact and they feel they are close wouldn't it make sense to give up a draftpick that is a chapshoot at best for a Pro Bowl caliber player? Sometimes I feel that they don't make a hard enough push. Time will tell though. They may surprise us yet.

You, sir, are an idiot. Missed the playoffs 2 of the past 3 years?! How about we've only missed the playoffs 2 times in the past decade. Let me put that into perspective. The cowboys and redskins have only made the playoffs twice in that time. There is no one better than us, and we will win a championship with Reid and McNabb. As for you, you can go route for the cowboys.

The Cowboys and Redskins have 7 Superbowls in their franchise history and the Eagles have zero. I wanted to see the Eagles make a statement this offseason to say we want to win a Superbowl. They have not. If you think I am such an idiot than give me a reason to be positive about the Eagles this season. If you think they can win a Superbowl than please convince me because I would like to be proven wrong.

The Cowboys and Redskins have 7 Superbowls in their franchise history and the Eagles have zero. I wanted to see the Eagles make a statement this offseason to say we want to win a Superbowl. They have not. If you think I am such an idiot than give me a reason to be positive about the Eagles this season. If you think they can win a Superbowl than please convince me because I would like to be proven wrong.

FatheMan, You are an idiot, one reason to be posive about this season is No.5, those two years that we didn't make the playoffs were because he was hurt. your talking about the last three years, what about the last nine years. You are one of the reasons the media gets to destroy our teams.

Actually the one year McNabb was hurt we did make the playoffs and McNabb was relatively healthy last year and I am not satisfied with just making the playoffs. This city has been without a championship for 25 years. Also did you not read that my comments about the Flyers were positive and that I praised Paul Holmgren for the job he did. I used the Flyers as an example that a change in philosophy is necessary at times to get to the next level. Under Bob Clarke the Flyers were successful but failed to win the cup after years of the same philosophy the Flyers actually regressed. Paul Holmgren instilled a fresh outlook and the team made great strides in one year. I am not criticizing McNabb's skill, I am criticizing Reid's philosophy. I think under a different system McNabb would be that much better. Please read the entire article not just bits and pieces. I said that McNabb needs to challenge Reid to change his philosophy. I think that great coaches are willing to adapt and I do not see a desire to adapt in Reid. For example, in the Superbowl the Eagles prepared for a 3-4 defense and the Patriots played a 4-3 defense. With the good group of young linebackers the Eagles have they may thrive under a 3-4 defense but Reid tries to fit players into his system rather than see the strengths of his players and build his system around the skills of his players. That is the point I was making. I am glad though that I have engendered this many responses from my article in such a short span of time. The previous articles I wrote did not generate any responses because I was not as direct in my criticism. I called out Reid and McNabb purposely so I would get persons to respond to my article. Apparently it worked. Thank you for your responses whether you agree or disagree.

Man.......sometimes I come into these blogs just to read what the fans have to say about their own teams. I couldn't disagree with you more. As much as I am not an Eagles fan, I will have to say that McNabb was NOT relatively healthy last year until the last 3-4 games and you saw what he did in those games. At least I did. Yeah, you got responses to your comment on this one because you are kind of off base. Even a Cowboy fan can come in here and be objective about what they see on the field. And, Reid's philosophy has been one that has served the Eagles well. Granted, he may not have as good of an offensive line as in the past or receivers, but I do respect what he's been able to accomplish up there. Whether he did it against a weaker NFC or not, at least he won games and had a good run. I'm not one to post comments like this about the Eagles very often, but when I see a statement that I totally disagree with, I just gotta jump in there at time. Peace out.

you don't cahnge your philosophy when it's got you to four NFC championship games and a superbowl. and only missing the playoffs 2 years, not including Reid's first year.

I agree with some and not with others. This team is not the best team in the divison anymore its plain and simple. The cowboys are very very good as much as I hate to say that, they got even better this offseason on both sides of the ball thru trades and thru the draft. The giants are the defending super bowl champs let me remind you, and the redskins are a bit of a question mark but they still were better than we were last year. So take the redskins out of the equation and we are the third best team in the division. I agree completly with the Bobby Clarke analogy. If andy wants to coach GREAT, but you can't do both especially with the family problems, does anyone think that is what hurt us last season? I certainly do we went into the season with no play makers and we couldn't catch a god darn punt. We didn't get turnovers and we had one guy on the D-Line that could get to the quarterback. The biggest thing I think is that "window of oppurtunity" that is mention in sports is rapidly closing! dawkins, mcnabb, westbrook these guys are getting up there in age, westbrook mostly because he is running back and they don't last. i like the attempt to get a big WR but why does it take finishing last in the conference to make that push, can't we try and get one every year! the way they handle situations is aweful as well, lito, TO, westbrook, trotter etc etc etc etc. I like andy reid but his arrogance and player evauluation sometimes is quite simply aweful, has he found good players like cole and westbrook yes, but remember he also had fred x, pinkston, thrash mcmullen has his wr's... where are they all now? someone else needs to evauluate the talent and he needs to just coach

Jason said it best. Well written article, however, youre a bum for blaming Mcnabb. Like someone said earlier, D-mac is the reason people are looking forward to this season. Don't be bitter towards Andy. We went after Moss, and supposedly, fitz too. We ended up with a rookie, Deasean Jackson, that could have an immediate impact with deep balls, which Mcnabb throws well. Not only that, Jackson will def. help out our offense in the return game. We've not had that many unsuccesful years since Reid and Mcnabb took over. Sorry to tell you, but besides the Pats, most fans arent blessed with the players the Eagles have, nor the amount of wins. I do agree that Dallas has gotten better, although i will never stop hating them, and of course, the Giants wont the superbowl. Guy, our division is just more competitive, its not Reids/Donnie Macs fault

I know McNabb posts articles on this site and I called him out purposely because I want him to respond to my article. Perhaps he can tell me if his comments were just mediaspeak or if that's how he really felt. Maybe behind closed doors he has had a heart to heart with Andy. Only Donovan knows the answer. I was hoping by my harsh comments to illicit a response from him. It was refreshing when he actually said on his blog that the Eagles need more playmakers but I was disappointed when he seemingly backed off his comment when questioned by the media. I want to know how he really feels. I don't like the ambiguity that is the Eagles organization. They act like a secret society and no one is privy to information but them. The fans pay the money so the fans deserve the respect to know the organization's committment to winning. They make efforts on their terms. They were supposedly interested in Jared Allen too but were not willing to give up a first and third round draft pick for him. The Vikings were. Deasean Jackson will have an immediate impact on the return game but I don't know if he is the answer at wide receiver. Maybe he is. Time will tell. I hope you're right. The Giants were probably not the most talented team last year but won the Superbowl because of Steve Spagnolla who came from the Eagle's organization. The difference between him and the Eagle's coaching staff is the willingness to adapt and build a system around the strengths of the players. When is Jim Johnson going to adapt his defensive scheme. With a young and talented linebacking corp and a weakness in the front four will he switch to a 3-4 defense? Probably not because there is no creativity or willingness to adapt in the Eagle's organization. No it is not McNabb's fault that Reid is a stubborn, arrogant mule but he is in the best position to reason with Reid and the coaching staff. Again I was not necessarily blaming McNabb but I was trying to provoke him into a response so I can get inside his head.

cuz he will definitely tell you what he has told no one.

I never blamed it on McNabb I am a huge supporter of DMAC and I think he should be here till he retires, but alot of the reason the eagles won games was because of Jim Johnson, a good return game and Donovan McNabb. Other than the year we had TO we have never been dominate on offense and that is Andy's job. We did win alot of games and it has been great to watch, but that "window" is surely closing and not much talent came to the offesenive side of the ball this offseason. If we are going to win, it is special teams and defense and the offense picking up from there with McNAbb and westbrook making alot of plays.

Thank you for your response. I too believe the window of opportunity is closing and why I feel a change in philosophy is needed. McNabb is very talented and I believe if Gruden was the coach we would have won a Superbowl because Gruden would have adapted his system to McNabb's strengths. I would like Reid to step down and Gruden to be the coach of this team but as long as McNabb can play I don't want to run him out of town.

dude ur another negative philly fan. why is my only question, we have gone from one of the sh!ttiest teams in the NFL to a team that is expected to be playoff caliber. would you have thought that we'd go to a superbowl in 2004 back in say 1980? andy reid is the reason we've stepped it up. u sir, are an idiot. go back to madden...

In response I would say that under Tony Dungy the Tampa Bay Bucaneers were a winning organization as well. They made it to the NFC Championship Game and lost to the Rams in 1999. Before Dungy arrived the Bucaneers were the Sucaneers. Why though did Dungy get fired? Because they made the playoffs but did not win the big prize. John Gruden stepped in, and won a Superbowl with Dungy's players, and need I remind you that he outcoached Reid in a game the Eagles were favored to win. Yes I remember the state the Eagles were in before Reid arrived but since we went to the Superbowl the team has regressed and Reid has not adapted his philosophy. Wouldn't you agree that Reid is like Dungy in this scenario and we need a Gruden to get us over the hump of winning a Superbowl?

no, i would agree with myself in that u are incorrect. reid has made a big turnaround, and the only reasons we didnt make the playoffs in 2 of the past 3 years are due to 1 of them being completely f#cked by a certain jacka$$ WR, and last year's screwed by injury plagued QB+TE, which destroyed our redzone abilities, as well as lack of skill in special teams. now the same thing cannot be said this year. none of last years problems currently afflict us. u, being the worst kind of negative, fickle philly fan need to understand that this year will be the dawn of a return. a return to that team that went to the NFC championship every year. that team that got to the superbowl, and lost to those cheating cheating rat bastards. a team that won. this is going to be the revamping of our franchise post-TO. the west coast offense with speedy, shifty WR, and one big TE (LJ Smith) that gets the dire redzone tries. a defense that will lead the league due to its speed, hunger, and sheer skill. look out for the Birds in '08. thats a warning. E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES. SEE YOU IN TAMPA...

O.k. take a look at Gruden. What has he done since he inherited Tony Dungys talent evaluation laden team to win the Superbowl? NOTHING. He has 38 quarterbacks and ZERO philosophy. All his draft picks since have been HOF players? Right. They have won how many Superbowls after Gruden took over talent evaluation? ZERO. He'll be lucky to keep his job at the end of this season.

Well, in Gruden's defense, he did have a pretty good run in Oakland and made the AFC Championship game and lost to a very talented Ravens defense. Oakland had nothing when he first got there and since he's left, they have had nothing.

He did outcoach Reid though. The Eagles owned Tampa Bay before Gruden arrived. I would still rather have the Superbowl victory and the losing seasons that Tampa has had since.

I think McNabb did what he could during the offseason. And the reality is, if these players (Moss, Fitz etc) really wanted to come to Philly, they would have. Andy did try to get Moss, but he was happy with the Pats. Fitz just wanted a pay day and was happy with the system in AZ. Ocho is still in limbo with Cincy, and Matt Milen is an idiot period. How can you blame the Eagles FO for not doing what they could? How can you blame them for NOT mortgaging our future for a player who is one slip up away from a 1 year suspension (Allen). How can you say our team is in shambles? Because D5 was hurt and then wasn't all the way back from injury until the last few remaining games? You have NOTHING to complain about. Try being a Lions fan for a while. Or AZ. Tell me the last time they made the playoffs and did anything. Period. We are the model of consistency, and will be in the thick of things come playoff time. And it's not even the start of the season yet, how can you say the FO is done making moves to help improve the offense? You don't know. Every year is different. You'll be lucky if D5 even reads this article, let alone respond to it.

That's true, we don't know what additional moves they are going to make. They did go after Donte Stallworth two years ago which was commendable but did next to nothing to keep him and when the Pats cut him they could have resigned him but didn't unless they are holding out for something better. I don't want them to mortgage their future but they don't have the greatest success with high round draft picks. Maybe Allen isn't the answer. At the end of last season when they were out of the playoffs why didn't they give Winston Justice and some of their other rookies more playing time to see what they have? I'm not saying that all their decisions are bad but they seem to have lost their aggressiveness since the year they went to the Superbowl. And though the Lions suck, the Pistons, Red Wings and Tigers have all been to the finals recently and the Pistons and Red Wings have championships so if I lived in Detroit I would be a happy sportsfan. If one of the four teams breaks the 25 year drought than I could be a little more positive. Also with regard to Arizona, the Diamondbacks won a World Series within the last ten years.

For those who think that the Eagles making the playoffs all the time is enough, I feel sorry for you. Championships should be the goal, not consistency or competition. McNabb won't respond to the article, and he shouldn't. He has other concerns. What's difference this year is special teams. We should have improved our special teams this year. That's a big part of the game.

DeSean Jackson should add a little spark to the special teams. As far as making the playoffs being enough, I would be glad to have a team that at least has a shot at the playoffs every year or makes it to the playoffs. You could be in Oakland or Miami where your team doesn't have a chance year after year.

Well said fiverings, I take what we eagles fans have now over the long dry years of back in the day any time. Even if the eagles had landed a #1 receiver, you still have to play the games an win!!! Da Cowboys have a good football team--but it's football any thing can happen, even a SB win for the eagles. At least the birds have a good chance! GO Eagles!

You understand my point. Winning a championship should be the ultimate goal not just being competitive. I think the Eagles FO feels that just making the playoffs or being competitive is good enough. If Eagles fans are complacent why should the FO not be complacent? The owner of the Dallas Mavericks just fired the head coach because he isn't happy with just bing in the playoffs. He wants to win a championship. That's the way the Eagles FO should feel. Yes Reid has had success but I think the cycle has run its course and it's time for a fresh start.

I think the owner of the Mavericks fired the coach because he had also lost the respect of the players. I don't see that happening in Philly just yet. Now, if they have another 8-8 season, then you might be able to put the breading on him and throw him in the fryer, but I wouldn't be so quick on the trigger. Who are you going to get to come in there and coach that team right now that's any better of a fit?

Agreed, he deserves another season to right the ship but if he doesn't there should be some accountability.

Why don't you give the Eagle fanbase a fresh start and remove yourself? We might be better off with 1 less idiot around. You act like they're not trying to win a SB...thats the goal of EVERY head coach, EVERY owner, EVERY player. Nobody exactly strives to be mediocre.

now that's what you call a negadelphian, or a fair weather fan, and i may even go as far as saying if that's how you feel go root for the cowgirls. we picked up a lot of sleepers this year. players that others may have not even thought of going after until they saw what philly did. so if that's how you feel make sure you skip the season because it seems in your eyes it's already over. let the fans be fans and GO BIRDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Philly isn't the only team in the NFL that picked up "sleepers". Hopefully , they won't get caught napping on gameday.

I hate the Cowboys but as fans we need to be realistic. The Eagles were last in the division and while the Eagles may have improved, so did the rest of the division. Time will tell if the Eagles improved enough. If the Eagles win the division and go deep in the playoffs then I will look foolish which is fine. I hope I'm wrong. I hope the Eagles prove me to be a fool. But if the Eagles fail to make the playoffs yet again or make the playoffs and lose in the first or second round then what? A team that has made it to the Superbowl should be content just winning a game in the playoffs? I certainly hope not.

while it is indeed true the entire division has improved, the defense will be strong enough to hold them back. the giants may well be losing Strahan, who is the core of their d-line, which is the reason they got as far as they did. the Redskins are in a whole lotta trouble, while they drafted great WRs, they lack a QB who will get it to them, and an offensive line that will let the QB even have a chance to look for them. also, the first year of every new coaching regime is never a pretty one. as for the Cowboys, i do respect them. their team is indeed stacked on paper, but a lot of clashing personalities, i really dont know. i think the battle of the division will be between the Birds and the Cowboys. but no matter what, we will give a good fight. NO INJURIES. that is the key phrase right now. McNabb is 100%, LJ Smith is 100%, B DAWK is 100% (and fit), and the addition of two new special teams returners is indeed nice. so, as Reid said, this team is ready to compete for a championship. E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!

while it is indeed true the entire division has improved, the defense will be strong enough to hold them back. the giants may well be losing Strahan, who is the core of their d-line, which is the reason they got as far as they did. the Redskins are in a whole lotta trouble, while they drafted great WRs, they lack a QB who will get it to them, and an offensive line that will let the QB even have a chance to look for them. also, the first year of every new coaching regime is never a pretty one. as for the Cowboys, i do respect them. their team is indeed stacked on paper, but a lot of clashing personalities, i really dont know. i think the battle of the division will be between the Birds and the Cowboys. but no matter what, we will give a good fight. NO INJURIES. that is the key phrase right now. McNabb is 100%, LJ Smith is 100%, B DAWK is 100% (and fit), and the addition of two new special teams returners is indeed nice. so, as Reid said, this team is ready to compete for a championship. E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!

while it is indeed true the entire division has improved, the defense will be strong enough to hold them back. the giants may well be losing Strahan, who is the core of their d-line, which is the reason they got as far as they did. the Redskins are in a whole lotta trouble, while they drafted great WRs, they lack a QB who will get it to them, and an offensive line that will let the QB even have a chance to look for them. also, the first year of every new coaching regime is never a pretty one. as for the Cowboys, i do respect them. their team is indeed stacked on paper, but a lot of clashing personalities, i really dont know. i think the battle of the division will be between the Birds and the Cowboys. but no matter what, we will give a good fight. NO INJURIES. that is the key phrase right now. McNabb is 100%, LJ Smith is 100%, B DAWK is 100% (and fit), and the addition of two new special teams returners is indeed nice. so, as Reid said, this team is ready to compete for a championship. E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!

Go grab a box of tissues, change the tampon, whatever you gotta do...do it. You're an idiot and you whine worse than any woman I've ever heard. Boo hoo hoo, support the team and get over your little issues .

You apparently don't want to see a championship in your lifetime because you are too complacent. I know you are probably not a hockey fan but I did praise Holmgren for the job he did and made a comparision between the job Holmgren did and the job Reid did. If Reid wants to wear both hats, coach and GM than he should get players capable of winning a Superbowl. You should thank me for being a caring fan which obviously you are not. You can't accept whatever slop the Eagle's FO puts on the field. I am interested in winning, not whining. Why don't you read the other article I posted, "The Flyers give a reason for hope." I was very positive about the job the Flyers have done. I guess you think Anthony Gargano, Glen Macnow and MIke Misconelli are whiners too because they think the Eagles need a #1 receiver. Why should the Eagles be motivated to win if they have fans like you who are just content with competing rather than winning.

Yea I don't want a championship...moron. We've been one of the winningest franchises in the league since Andy has been at the helm, and one of the most profitable to boot. It took Cowher 14 seasons to get the Steelers their ring. If all of their fans were as stupid as you, they wouldn't have hoisted the Lombardi. Instead of calling for somebodys head every time a game is lost, how about simply supporting them the next time they are out there, because guess what? You have ZERO control over ANYTHING that happens with the team so whats the point?

Was Cowher the reason they won or was it the players that were on the field. If Andy wants to be the coach that's one thing but maybe someone else besides him should make the personnel decisions. Cowher didn't make the personnel decisions, he coached the players he had. I do not like's Reid's personnel decisions. Larry Brown is a great NBA coach but he will always be remembered as the man who passed up Paul Pierce in favor of Larry Hughes. His personnel decisions were poor though as a coach he was great. One can be a great coach but a poor GM. If you feel Reid is a great coach fine. Even great coaches can't win without the right personnel.

You're right...Andy should have taken Ricky Williams or Akili Smith. And for the record Larry Hughes was a higher touted prospect than Pierce...but neither have a ring. Thats just the luck of the draw with drafting college players. How many countless great picks has Andy made year in and year out? I'd love for you to find me somebody who has found as many Pro Bowl players in the draft as Andy did in that same time. Here, I'll save you the trouble.....nobody has. 45 PB appearances i believe it was, by Andys guys since 1999...thats unheard of. Who cares if you like Andy's decisions or not. Nobody on here does...and he sure as hell doesnt. Hes done pretty damn well.