Comparing #5 to #7, McNabb to Elway

HOW did this slip by me, EXCELLENT write up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank u steve01!!!!!!!!

hey girl i came in here off your page. after reading all this i must say i have a new found respect for mcnabb.

Yeah not bad at all!!

i'm surprised i missed this & surprised more ppl. didn't reply on this!!!!

man that was some write up and i'm a steelers fans nice one

How can you compare two different quarterbacks from two different eras. McNabb is a nice guy but when you start comparing him to John Elway because of his stats, this one takes the cake. They don't even play in the same conference. McNabb played in a mediocre NFC and his numbers would not even be close to what he has now if he played in the AFC during that same period. John Elway started in five superbowls. Throw the stats out the window. FIVE SUPER BOWLS. There is no comparison. Elway holds a record 47 game winning or game tying drives. It's not all about the stats. Elway is in the Hall Of Fame because he belongs there.

mediocre NFC? try the hardest division in football that we have owned since Mcnabb came here. sorry the patriots play in the easiest division.

This isn't even a comparison, Elway is and always will be better than McNabb

Agreed. McNabb doesn't come close. His stats may look better but as someone already said that they played in different eras. If Elway played during the same time frame as McNabb, his stats would be inflated, too.

That's like comparing current heavyweiight boxing champion Wladimir Klitschko to Muhammad Ali. Klitschko has a career record of 50-3. Ali has a career record of 56-5. All these years I thought Muhammad was the greatest. I was wrong. It's Klitschko. Just look at the stats.They tell the whole story.Please, no more Donovan's stats.

Classic example of only looking at raw numbers. Even then Elway still has the edge. He's in a very elite group of guys to throw for more than 50,000 yards. Played in a much better conference and as JASON2 pointed out--made a career out of late-game heroics. Using the Rush Limbaugh incident as a premise for advocating Mcnabb's place in NFL history is both irresponsible and extremely myopic.

using big words to advocate your "point" is irresponsible and extremely myopic. elway is better, (obviously), i'm sure everyone knows this. but the point of this article is to disprove people who say mcnabb is "washed up". which he isn't.

I've tried to argue this point before as well, most fans are too ignorant to take in this point of view.
The worst part is I often hear the point of view that McNabb is mediocre or washed up.... from sportscasters and professionals. Nobody can back up what they are saying bad about him. no true Eagles fan wants to see Mcnabb go ever. i personally can't imagine another QB doing as well with the lack of recievers we have had in Philly over his entire career minus one season.
the point is Mcnabb has been a consistently pro-bowl caliber QB. his TD-Int ratio is terrific. Who could ask for more?
Our team has been blessed with his athleticism, and I thank him

you are one of the few people i respect.

thanks

Final point from the article: Elway is better obviously...McNabb is still a great QB in todays game

true, I would gladly trade all McNabb's prb bowl seasons and great stats for a championship or two. I.'m sure Dan Marino would love to make this trade as well

Excellent article. I have been lucky enough to live in many areas of this country so I have seen several quarterbacks (including Elway) play though an entire season. It is quite different than looking at highlight clips on ESPN. Mr. McNabb is one of the best quarterbacks that has played in the NFL. I don't know if he will win a Super Bowl, but I hope he does. I remember having the same thoughts about Walter Payton.

i agree w/ jason..5 does have inflated stats...our division at the time was horrible...much has changed since then...of course u can compares stats...screw stats..its about SB wins and who u would want in 2 min situations...elway of course...there is no comparison between the to....and elway was an iron man one of the most important numbers for all u stat guys...games missed 7 has 1 and 5 has 15.....i know its misfortune but u gotta include it....the fact is as of right now 5 is not a hall of fame QB ....he a good qb..washed up..no...potential ..yes...he will get a ring for us...as long as he doesnt throw no,,,umm picks in ..umm lets say the superbowl or championsip...lmao....o yea and steve ur stilll gay..01 meaning ur the gayes on hear..peaCe

Nice post Tony. McNabb is a good quarterback. You're a season ticket holder and you know in McNabb's earlier years the NFC was terrible. McNabb is great guy who deserves a ring. He is not a hall of fame quarterback and he is not the quarterback you want on the field with two minutes left in a big playoff game. I forgot how durable Elway was until I read your comment. If Donovan McNabb wins the superbowl this year and is a key contributor I will change my opinion of him. That's a big IF. Alot of people outside of Philly formed a negative opinion of him with his performance at the end of the superbowl. He can change all that with a superbowl victory.

elway has more victories than anyone but favre even though it took farve about 4 more seasons to pass elway. mcnabb shouldnt be compared to him at all. elway did miss 3 games in last superbowl run. wins are the most important stats period.

Very interesting. They have very similar careers. Kudos to you for a very gutsy move on this post.

GREAT POST

One more Donovan stat. In the 2003 NFC championship game, McNabb became the first quarterback since Danny White of the Dallas Cowboys (1980-82) to lose three straight conference title games. His passer rating for those three games was 50.5- which is 10 points lower than what the worst quarterback earns over an entire season. I'll leave his performance in the Super Bowl alone. They do have some similarites though. They both played football.

Posts like these (which seem to occur fairly often) are an insult to Donavan McNabb's great career. Donavan's career should be celebrated for what it is - a great QB career. To insist that his career has been legendary like Elway's is like insisting that Patrick Ewing's career was similar in stature to Bill Russell's, and even this is a bit of a stretch since Patrick Ewing is a lock for the NBA Hall of Fame.

John Elway's career is legendary on any level an NFL fan can view it. Donavan McNabb has been great locally for the Eagles and there are a few opponents (like myself) who have incredible admiration for him but he is not any kind of NFL legend - there are only a small handful of those, you realize.

If you have any real love for #5, you should focus fans' attention on what he is as opposed to what he isn't.

edit - Patrick Ewing got into the Hall this year. Knick fans are eternally grateful for him, but I doubt too many people outside of NY are picking daggers out of their hearts with his name on them.

He is defly an Eagle legend... and In my mind the best pocket passing mobile QB we have seen so far. He broke his ankle and finished the game... you could go back to any game of his career and see how often he made plays where there was nothing because there was nobody(remember the 14+sec play in Dallas?) Favre, Brady, and Elway made careers of this and they are considered legends to many. If Mcnabb went out and won a championship or two I'm sure we would even be discussing this. his best WR has been his RB, does anyone realize how much that limits your ability to throw 3 yrd passes all day and hope he can break a tackle or make a move to get the first down....virtually no consistent down field offense. he has been limited by injury and lack of surrounding talent and has made the best of it.

Great article. However, we all know stats can always be used to prove points in any way you choose to. John went to 3 Superbowls while Donovan went to 1 at this point. John didn't lose any AFC Championship games at that point in his career and Donovan has lost 3 NFC Championships (two of them at home). I love McNabb, but the biggest stat you mentioned is games missed and we all know he's missed too many (not at all his fault by any means) but true unfortunately.

John Elway went to six superbowls and started in five which is still an NFL record today.

I said to this point in their careers of the article. I know how many bowls he won and went to.

didn't Charles Haley win 5.... now thats a record worth claiming.

Even if it is true as some have said that the stats are "inflated". The fact that they are comparable is the point.

There are two camps when it comes to Mcnabb. One side appreciates and supports him for the player he is. The other tears him down every chance they get. What do they use to do so? Stats in the bad games he has played in. Does anyone know the stats of John Elway in his first three Super Bowls? 6 picks, 2 TD's and three losses! There were those who said he could not win the big one too...Those people were on the wrong side of history too. The point is look at the whole body of work.

The two QB's are different and John Elway is a legend. Mcnabb is not one ... yet...However if his career plays out the way John's did with a couple Super Bowls he will be a lock for the Hall of Fame. Even if he just gets one he is in.

What side of history will the haters be on this time?

There is no comparison. You're the one that compared McNabb's career with Elway's. If Donovan does go to six superbowls and wins two, I will give him alot more credit. He has to do that though. With a passer rating of 50.5 in the post season, you can't get much lower. I hated Elway his whole career because he dominated the Patriots. You always knew he was going to come back and win the game. He was the very best at fourth quarter comebacks. Nothing fazed him. His six superbowls and five starting speak for itself. I was happy to see him finally get a superbowl. He deserved it. Donovan can do the same thing and I would be happy for him as long as it is not against the Pats.

the two sides are people that understand the game, and the other side is made up of casual fans that rarely watch and don't understand that Mcnabb is actually one of the best QBs today.

yep, every team and fan would be more than excited to get him today in a trade.... except maybe NE and Indy because they are already golden at QB position, but who else could say they wouldn't love to have him?
San Diego, Chicago, Baltimore could have won a championship with him easily with the talent they have there.

who says tizzy anymore

hes one of the best ??..only because there are only a few good ones today...most are average...yea 5 is one of the best today....just needs to stay healthy....u cant have a qb missing 2-3 games per year...Elway missed 1 game in his Legendary career....we cant have oour "leader" gettin hurt every year...

Elway missed way more then 1 game. Did you read the article?Actually Elway missed over 19 games over the course of his career...

McNabbs missed 22

yeah U look pretty dumb here.... he was hurt plenty often. know the stats before you go running your mouth about something you obviously know nothing about.
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elways teammates always played hard for him especially towards the end of his career. he had their respect, they beleived in him, the sign of a true leader. How about mcnabbs teammates?

What?? Mcnabb's teammates do not play hard for him?? They do not respect him?? Where is your basis for this argument? Oh, you do not have one. Next!

Tony,
durability is an legit point...However the point about QB's is not true.

Marino, Montana, Young, Favre...then

Brady, Favre, Manning....now

your slashin your own QB wow again i say to another person on here you suck switch teams you don't deserve to be called a fan

i did see this earlier but hesitated, i don't do eagle hate on hate, but tony you don't speak for the eagle nation as a whole (nor do i) this is strictly my own opinion: but your remarks are uncalled for & calling mcnabb a b*tch is low class and shows complete lack of any sort of fandom.. PLEASEEE if you go to lehigh at all, look for me, i've got something i'd like to say to your face, i don't talk sht over the net ;0 !!!
peace out
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True colors finally show. It's ok Tony. Let it all out. It is a process to get over the hatred. It is not even worth it to argue anymore. I will start to call it therapy from now on.

imagine if mcnabb had some recievers his whole career...

well say it..

Comparing McNabb to Elway is like comparing a Honda Civic to a Rolls Royce. They shouldn't be in the same showroom.

wow, I know he's good but McNabb isn't a rolls royce....he's an american classic baby I'm goin Cadillac.
And Elway is better than a civic, that was brutal

ya i agree

Squish, I'm pretty sure Elway was the one being compared to the Royce and McNabb to the Civic...McNabb is better than Civic tho